How Much Does Your Current Battery Weigh?

[rxracer]

40lbs?....50lbs?.....60lbs?

have you ever heard of the Dyna-Batt?


well im not talking about that one! :evil:

im talking about this (http://www.gotbatteries.com/items.asp?params=batteries/SLA/1/Hawker%20Odyssey/PC680/0769-2016/SL105/37L105S5)

same exact features, but only $76.95! :woot:












































and for the smart-ass's, that already knew about this.............here's a spoon! :fu:

EDIT: posted wrong battery, whoops!

[maveRick]

My Red Top Optima weighs 43.8 lbs (source (https://www.expeditionexchange.com/optima/indexmain.shtml))


From that page for the "Hawker (Enersys) Genesis" Battery:


"PRODUCT NOTES

For motorsports applications use the Odyssey battery. The Odyssey was designed for rugged vibration sensitive applications with thicker plates to prevent cracking and premature failure. The warranty on the Genesis doesn't cover motorsports installations. "

What am I missing? :retard:

[Timebomb]

Well I don't need a spoon, but I will say this....look at the pits of any drag race you go to. How many of these batteries will you see in cars??? Thats right, more than likely none, zero, noda....you know why????

To a racer the most important thing to them is to have the car start and get from point A to point B in the fastest time possible. They aren't willing to take the chance on a inferior product that could fail on them in order to achive this goal, even if it means sacrificing wieght.

My Optima Red top is the biggest one available, weighs 38 pounds and has 1000 cold cranking amps at 32 degrees F, and has been proven by racers time and time again. http://www.optimabatteries.com/publish/optima/americas0/en/config/product_info/automotive/starter/technical_specs.html

The optima batteries are gell cell batteries and also last far longer than any standard lead acid battery such as the one you posted. 24 and a half pounds isn't worth the worry to me of wondering if the voltage in my race car is going to collapse at the track and cause something like the ignition to suffer the car do something like melt a piston because of it.

I've heard and seen people using these batteries in daily driven cars, I personally don't believe all the hipe, if you need to loose 20 pounds then go for it. Don't forget your AAA card when this tiny battery leaves you stranded.

My $.02.

Brent

[96GTS]

http://www.gotbatteries.com/items.asp?params=batteries/SLA/1/Hawker%20Odyssey/PC680/0769-2016/SL105/37L105S5
I have this one in my GT. It was daily driven for 2.5 years and NEVER gave me issues. Then it started getting iffy, and I had to use AAA once or twice. Now I only drive the car once a week or so and I disconnect the battery when not using it. I do need a new one and I'm debating getting another 13 lb'er or getting an optima and putting it in the trunk......

[Bubstang]

if you want a great deal on gell cells, call Jason or Colin at Southwest Photovoltaic in Tomball. We use their batteries and solar panels on production automation equipment. They turn huge volumes and have pretty good pricing. My customers in WY buy from them and still save money even after shipping.

Robert (Bub)

[Dougstang]

Yes a Dyna-batt is a re-labeled Hawker (Enersys) genesis (Odessey) battery. Our company has been selling these batteries for a very long time. Since they were owned by the Gates corporation. They are not gel cells or conventional lead-acid batteries. They are Pure-lead, absorbed glass mat cells. They are technically dry cells.

These batteries weren't specifically designed for starting cars, but I can assure you that they can deliver as least as much or more current than ANY other battery out there. The cool thing about them is that you can ue them as a starting battery and a deep discharge battery. Optima has seperate batteries for each situatuation. Like the name says the use very pure lead in their construction and in turn have very low internal resistance. There are some really cool things about them. They are the only batteries I know of that require no current limiting when charging. You can charge them from dis-charged to like 95% in less than 1 hour. Try that with a conventional lead or gel cell and you will get a lot of heat and a damaged battery.

We sell them to companies that use them in all types of applications. They are more expensive than most other batteries out there, but they more than pay for themselves in increased cycle life. One of the cool things about them is that they are DOT rated non-spillable, which cuts down on some of the shipping regulations. I have the next smaller size one from the dyna batt one in my riding mower. It has been starting it for a few years now, lol. They work really well in boats too because of the deep discharge ability.

The Optima batteries have some similarities to the genesis and are good batteries (much better than a standard car battery), but they still don't stack up to the genesis batteries. They are good at advertising though. Every year or so, we get one of our customers wanting us to do testing to compare the two. We would actually make a little more money selling them the optima's. The last time I was involved in the test, we were testing a 70 amp-hour genesis against their batteries. They had advertised a 65 amp-hour capacity on one of their batteries. I don't remember which one now, I think it was the yellow one though. We ran several tests and couldn't get anywhere near their rated capacity from it. We called them to see if they could give us more information about their test procedure. After talking with one of their engineers for a while, he finally admitted that they couldn't get the advertised capacity out of it either. Again they are more than adequate for a car battery though.

If you're interested, here is some information about the Genesis batteries. Enersys (Hawker) web site (http://www.enersysreservepower.com/productDocuments.asp?id=100&brandID=3)

[96GTS]

Yes a Dyna-batt is a re-labeled Hawker (Enersys) genesis (Odessey) battery. Our company has been selling these batteries for a very long time. Since they were owned by the Gates corporation. They are not gel cells or conventional lead-acid batteries. They are Pure-lead, absorbed glass mat cells. They are technically dry cells.

These batteries weren't specifically designed for starting cars, but I can assure you that they can deliver as least as much or more current than ANY other battery out there. The cool thing about them is that you can ue them as a starting battery and a deep discharge battery. Optima has seperate batteries for each situatuation. Like the name says the use very pure lead in their construction and in turn have very low internal resistance. There are some really cool things about them. They are the only batteries I know of that require no current limiting when charging. You can charge them from dis-charged to like 95% in less than 1 hour. Try that with a conventional lead or gel cell and you will get a lot of heat and a damaged battery.

We sell them to companies that use them in all types of applications. They are more expensive than most other batteries out there, but they more than pay for themselves in increased cycle life. One of the cool things about them is that they are DOT rated non-spillable, which cuts down on some of the shipping regulations. I have the next smaller size one from the dyna batt one in my riding mower. It has been starting it for a few years now, lol. They work really well in boats too because of the deep discharge ability.

The Optima batteries have some similarities to the genesis and are good batteries (much better than a standard car battery), but they still don't stack up to the genesis batteries. They are good at advertising though. Every year or so, we get one of our customers wanting us to do testing to compare the two. We would actually make a little more money selling them the optima's. The last time I was involved in the test, we were testing a 70 amp-hour genesis against their batteries. They had advertised a 65 amp-hour capacity on one of their batteries. I don't remember which one now, I think it was the yellow one though. We ran several tests and couldn't get anywhere near their rated capacity from it. We called them to see if they could give us more information about their test procedure. After talking with one of their engineers for a while, he finally admitted that they couldn't get the advertised capacity out of it either. Again they are more than adequate for a car battery though.

If you're interested, here is some information about the Genesis batteries. Enersys (Hawker) web site (http://www.enersysreservepower.com/productDocuments.asp?id=100&brandID=3)
Whats the best way to go about charging my PC680 battery? Can I use the "sears diehard" battery charger I have in my shop? or do I need some special charger?

[Dougstang]

I would need more specs on your sears charger to tell you for sure. But it probably is not the optimal charger for your odyssey. It will charge the battery however the best charger for the pure lead is a microprocessor controlled charger with the algorithm for an agm battery. They go through several steps between constant current and constant voltage then to a proper maintenance charge. Deltran (Battery tender) chargers do a good job of this www.batterytender.com. Statpower makes some really good ones, but they cost quite a bit more. One of the good things about this type of charger is that you can leave the charger connected to the battery indefinitely and automatically drop to a maintenance charge and keep the battery charged and conditioned. These batteries really like to be charged with a lot of amperage. The rule of thumb for AGM batteries that are deep discharged is to have an initial inrush current of %60 of the rated capacity. So for a 16AH battery you would want at least a 10 amp charger. If you are not deep discharging the battery this is less important. Check out the power tender plus at batterytender.com, it would probably be a pretty good choice. The better the charger, the longer the battery will last.

[96GTS]

Check out the power tender plus at batterytender.com, it would probably be a pretty good choice. The better the charger, the longer the battery will last.
12 volt or 6 volt?

[Dougstang]

This is the one that I was referring to http://batterytender.com/product_info.php?products_id=7 Your battery is a 12 volt.

[Dougstang]

My Red Top Optima weighs 43.8 lbs (source (https://www.expeditionexchange.com/optima/indexmain.shtml))


From that page for the "Hawker (Enersys) Genesis" Battery:


"PRODUCT NOTES

For motorsports applications use the Odyssey battery. The Odyssey was designed for rugged vibration sensitive applications with thicker plates to prevent cracking and premature failure. The warranty on the Genesis doesn't cover motorsports installations. "

What am I missing? :retard:

I missed this one earlier. This is true, but the Genesis batteries are actually pretty darn tough. This would probably be an issue if it was in an ATV or off road vehicle that really gets knocked around good. It might be an issue if you have a motor plate or solid motor mounts and the battery is next to the motor. But you would need to have a lot of engine vibration to actually damage the plates. Remember that they aren't floating around in liquid. They are packed in between an absorbed glass matt.

[White90GT]

Hey Doug, why not see if your company wants to sponsor me a battery for a little testing? I use a standard Autozone Duralast battery in the race car. I could probably take it from full charge to dead in about 20-30 minutes at the track without a charger. I like to run the bottle heater and the engine fan between rounds. Currently I simply hook up my sears battery charger between runs and pretty much run the fan constant. Wonder how long one of your batteries would stand up to that abuse.

[Otis!]

Carl,

Would you sponsor me through the "Carl Smith School of Sponsorship" freshmen program? I promise I deserve it!

O!
...this space for rent...

[Timebomb]

Man, with all those sponsers, you are going to have to get a sponsor to sponsor the sponsor so that you can afford to race!

[HoustonLX]

Carl is the $2 whore of drag racing. :rofl:

[63T-Bolt]

Can i get a sponser to sponser my post made in this thread? I swear this post will be well worth the money. It will provide much needed information about this thread and its made by of all people.... ME. What else could you want?




FYI..... My red top optima is almost is almost 10yrs old now and still works great!!!!

[White90GT]

Hey guys, you'll never get a sponsor if you don't ask!

[Dougstang]

Hey Doug, why not see if your company wants to sponsor me a battery for a little testing? I use a standard Autozone Duralast battery in the race car. I could probably take it from full charge to dead in about 20-30 minutes at the track without a charger. I like to run the bottle heater and the engine fan between rounds. Currently I simply hook up my sears battery charger between runs and pretty much run the fan constant. Wonder how long one of your batteries would stand up to that abuse.

I don't think they would go for the sponsor deal. For any lead based battery, abuse comes mainly from two things, extreme deep discharge and heat. Running any lead battery dead will damage it. These batteries live well in a cyclic environment so as long as you don't go beyond 80% depth of discharge (To calculate the end of discharge voltage (EODV), you would need the discharge rate), you shouldn't do any permanent damage to the battery. Heat is a given in that type of situation. Any lead battery will last longer in a room temperature than at engine compartment temperature. If your battery is in the trunk or hatch it will probably last longer because of this.

If you can figure out the discharge rate in amps that you draw from the battery, We could calculate how long the battery would last without a charge. Batteries don't create energy they only store it. And you never get more out than you put in.

Just with some numbers that I guessed at, if you run a 40 Amp discharge for 30 minutes (-20 amp hours), then Start and run the engine with a 90 amp alternator for 5 minutes (7.5 amp hours), you will loose 12.5 Amp hours of capacity each time you make a pass. This doesn't include the energy used to start and run the car. It's tough to charge any type of battery quickly enough to restore that much energy during a drag race. The only way to get away with not charging would be to have extra capacity. The dynabatt size battery is rated at 16AH which is plenty for normal driving and maybe running 1 accessory between rounds. With a 42 or 70 amp hour battery, you could get more runs without a charge.

Our company has line item minimums and Oem agreements that prevent us from selling them 1 at a time, but if you are really interested in getting one, send me a PM.

Doug